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  • Wow. 90% of American’s disagree with my view of death

    In a graphic from yesterday the New York Times magazine discusses America’s view of what happens after death. According to a 2002 pool, ten percent of us believe “we return to earth in different form”, twenty four percent believe “the soul lives in a different place, determined by past actions”, forty eight percent believe “we go to heaven or hell, depending on confession of sins” and “accepting Jesus” and ten percent believe “there is no life.” (Hmm. That adds up to only ninety two percent. I’d like to hear what got lumped into the miscellaneous category. Are there many mothership believers?) Of the other responses I’m thinking that the twenty four percent and the forty eight percent should be added together as weaker and stronger versions of “heaven and hell” believers. So that’s seventy two percent roughly in accordance with Christianity.

    What’s interesting to me is how this matches other results. In the “Religion in the United States” wikipedia entry it says:

    80% of the U.S. is Christian and 15% do not adhere to a religion. Other religions comprise 5% of the U.S. population. According to the CIA World Factbook, the U.S. is 78% Christian and 10% no religion, while other religions comprise 12% of the U.S. population. In descending order, the largest identified religious groups are Protestant (52%); Roman Catholic (24%); Mormon (2%); Buddhist (2%); Jewish (1%); and Muslim (1%).[2]

    So there’s both gross agreement with the 2002 poll and interesting disagreement. Ten percent of people identify with no religion, and ten percent don’t believe in an afterlife. That’s seems consistent. Now let’s add up Protestants, Catholics , Muslim and Jewish believers. We get seventy eight percent. Yet only seventy two percent of the 2002 poll respondents accept even the proposition of a heaven or hell afterlife. That’s almost twenty million people who don’t accept a pretty basic dogma from their professed canon. There’s clearly confusion among believers about what they believe.

    I’d like to better understand these numbers and their implications. Do these differences help identify hidden non-believers? Confused people? Polling errors? Of those who believe in afterlife (apparently about 80%) what does that mean? What do people really believe about an afterlife, and why do they believe it? What mechanisms do they attribute to the continuity of identity. Is it entirely magic? Is there some personality substrate that’s not visible to science? Is it just not thought about? Interestingly, today’s New York Times magazine has an article on the possibility of atheists beliveing in an afterlife. The article is “Eternity for Atheists” and frankly I find it completely uncompelling.

    Finally, it’s clear that atheists are a significant segment of society. More than Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, and Mormon believers added together. Make of that what you will.

  • Doonesbury and those funny, funny Blastocysts

    I was impressed with the Sunday comics this morning. First Garry Trudeau’s courage . His willingness to revisit the Bush administration’s loony reasoning on stem cell research will certainly generate conservative attack, and the ever dependable death threats of the “pro-life” camp. I remain amazed that anyone is willing to ignore medical progress for the living to favor the rights of the 70-100 cell blastocyst. Given that these microscopic flecks engender such significant support, I guess I should be surprised that this lunacy hasn’t gone further over the edge.

    Why are there no protests at the fertility clinics producing these poor “souls?” Are all the true believers too busy tormenting the families of dead servicemen? Why isn’t destroying them as illegal as using them for research? Destruction is ok, but lifesaving isn’t? Can’t we prosecute their freezing as torture, and the failed implants as malpractice? (Oh …. forgot … true believers are ok with torture and want medical tort reform… my bad)

    Why haven’t we outlawed reproduction by any means other than those methods on a government approved (county level only… can’t give the feds more control) list? We used to outlaw contraception and we still outlaw sex toys (but only those that women might use); surely we can ignore that pesky right to privacy that conservatives so hate.

    Have these fundamentalists no gumption?

    Next was Wiley Miller’s wonderful comic, Non Sequitur’s , take on the world of religious diktat. Truth is as I say it is. You are evil to question me. My religion is most popular here so I can make you respect it. And if I can’t force you to act as I wish, then I’m being oppressed.

    All in all a refreshing change from the loose duck droppings of “Mallard Filmore